HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: US/Canada Camp Rosters

Canadian forward group is almost sickening

Andrew Ladd over Jamie Benn and Jason Spezza?

Chris Kunitz over Jamie Benn and Jason Spezza?
- jtommyt

Fixed. You're welcome.

Speed and skill?

Hall was built for speed and skill

Make it happen Stevey

That Shea Weber fella is the best d-man in the NHL that hasn't won a Norris. And he was Canada's best d-man in the Olympics. Absolutely shocked Spezza didn't get an invite. Rather have him than Thornton.

Speed and skill?

Hall was built for speed and skill

Make it happen Stevey
- BigDre

I would love to see a Hall-Benn-Lucic 4th line. Never will happen though. But Hall is better than Eberle.

Andrew Ladd over Jamie Benn and Jason Spezza?
- jtommyt

Ladd is underrated. Spezza should be there over the likes of Eberle Thornton etc.

Speed and skill?

Hall was built for speed and skill

Make it happen Stevey
- BigDre

Hall should for sure make it. He already great, improving every year, and he should be even more dominant on the big ice with his speed.

Hoping he rips it up.

I think hall will absolutely make the team, natural LW and would be a terror on the big ice, I can even see him as 1st line LW to be honest.

Hall - Crosby - Stamkos

yes pleaase

I think hall will absolutely make the team, natural LW and would be a terror on the big ice, I can even see him as 1st line LW to be honest.

Hall - Crosby - Stamkos

yes pleaase
- MrBeanTown

Follow that line with:

Tavares - Staal - Perry
Giroux - Toews - Sharp
Marchand - Bergeron - Lucic
Duchene

Many may not like line 4 but I love it. Would piss off anybody.

Follow that line with:

Tavares - Staal - Perry
Giroux - Toews - Sharp
Marchand - Bergeron - Lucic
Duchene

Many may not like line 4 but I love it. Would piss off anybody.
- gamedaytix

No Mike Richards?

Ladd is underrated. Spezza should be there over the likes of Eberle Thornton etc.
- Smurfs-A-Joke

Im not gonna say Spezza should make the team, cause honestly I dont see him high enough on the depth chart for Canadian centres...... but c'mon Yzerman, the guy has earned at least an invite

No Mike Richards?
- tomburton99

I know. I just tried to make sure there was at least one natural winger on each line.

Setting Schneider aside for the moment (he has the best numbers but also by far the fewest games played, meaning there's less certainty about him), how do you pick between Howard, Quick, Anderson, and Miller? I mean these guys are nearly indistinguishable statistically.

EVEN STRENGTH SAVE PERCENTAGE, LAST 3 YEARS COMBINED
Howard: .925
Miller: .924
Quick: .924
Anderson: .923

To put how crazy this is in proper perspective: the difference between the best (Howard) and the worst (Anderson) on this list is 1 goal every 342 shots against at even strength.

(I chose even strength rather than total save percentage because I think it's less susceptible to random fluctuations and shot quality variation than total save percentage.)

Now, Schneider is the interesting case because his numbers are the best by a fairly wide margin (.932 over the same time frame) but he also hasn't played long enough for us to really tell with confidence if those numbers represent his true skill or if they're inflated to some degree.

If I'm GM of team USA, since I can take 3 guys and 4 of them are basically the same, for sure I'm taking Schneider. He's a less known commodity but there's also a decent chance he's the best.

After that, who cares honestly. I'd probably take Howard and Miller just because I think their numbers have been the most consistent and are least likely to be inflated, but that's more a hunch than anything.

Setting Schneider aside for the moment (he has the best numbers but also by far the fewest games played, meaning there's less certainty about him), how do you pick between Howard, Quick, Anderson, and Miller? I mean these guys are nearly indistinguishable statistically.

EVEN STRENGTH SAVE PERCENTAGE, LAST 3 YEARS COMBINED
Howard: .925
Miller: .924
Quick: .924
Anderson: .923

To put how crazy this is in proper perspective: the difference between the best (Howard) and the worst (Anderson) on this list is 1 goal every 342 shots against at even strength.

(I chose even strength rather than total save percentage because I think it's less susceptible to random fluctuations and shot quality variation than total save percentage.)

Now, Schneider is the interesting case because his numbers are the best by a fairly wide margin (.932 over the same time frame) but he also hasn't played long enough for us to really tell with confidence if those numbers represent his true skill or if they're inflated to some degree.

If I'm GM of team USA, since I can take 3 guys and 4 of them are basically the same, for sure I'm taking Schneider. He's a less known commodity but there's also a decent chance he's the best.

After that, who cares honestly. I'd probably take Howard and Miller just because I think their numbers have been the most consistent and are least likely to be inflated, but that's more a hunch than anything.
- Sven22

Quick has easily been the best over the past two years in that group IMO. Miller shouldn't even enter the conversation after his last year.

Hall - crosby - giroux

E stall - stamkos - st louis

Perry - toews - sharp

Tavares - bergeron - ladd

Extra duchene eberle

Webber doughty

Keith seabrook

Pietrangelo jbo

Extra subban letang

Lu price crawford


Could probably use a tweak. But if the team is wanting to focus on speed I think this a decent bunch. Also canada should focus on chemistry. So short for practicing take it while you can

Forwards

Taylor Hall Sidney Crosby John Tavares

Claude Giroux Steven Stamkos Marty St-Louis

Rick Nash Jonathan Toews Corey Perry

Logan Couture Patrice Bergeron Eric Staal

Extras

Mike Richards Ryan Getzlaf

Defense

Duncan Keith Shea Weber

Alex Pietrangelo Kris Letang

Drew Doughty PK Subban

Extra (but interchangeably with Subban or Letang depending if Offense or Defense needed)

Brent Seabrook


Goalies

Roberto Luongo

Carey Price

Corey Crawford

Quick has easily been the best over the past two years in that group IMO. Miller shouldn't even enter the conversation after his last year.
- Isles_since_6

I'm not sold on Quick. He had brilliant numbers in L.A. Cup year but the rest of his career looks pretty average to me. And it's interesting you bring up Miller's "last year" because it's Quick whose numbers (in an admittedly short season) stunk out loud in 2013, with a .902 overall save percentage and just .910 at even strength.

Miller I thought acquitted himself well over the short season. Not his fault that his team sucks and also faced the fourth most penalty kill situations in the NHL last year (something that can really drag down a goalie's average). His superman 2010 does look like a bit of a fluke but otherwise he strikes me as a very good goalie year in and year out.

If we're only counting the last two years, statistically speaking Howard is the best of the bunch at evens, up to and including Schneider. But the smaller we make our sample the less faith I have in the numbers.

It's tough to predict line combos as Canada has invited so many centers to camp, and Yzerman has said he'll try and avoid playing people outside of their natural positions.

That being said, I think it's an easy choice to move Stamkos to the wing, and put him with Crosby and St. Louis. Set up Stamkos on the half boards, let Crosby control the puck from the center position, and then let St. Louis (one of the best passers in the game) take his pick as to who he sets up.

Stamkos (off-wing, better for one-timers)- Crosby- St. Louis
Hall- Tavares- Giroux
E. Staal- Toews- Perry
M. Richards- Bergeron- Andrew Ladd (my darkhorse)
Getzlaf, Nash as extras

D- you could throw darts at a board and come out with 8 of the best dmen in the NHL.

Goalies- Lu, Price, Crawford

Stamkos - Crosby - St.Louis

Tavares - Toews - Giroux

Lucic - Bergeron - Perry

Richards - Carter - Couture

Sharp
Getzlaf

Weber - Doughty
Keith - Letang
Pietrangelo - Methot

Subban
Boyle

Price
Crawford
Luongo

wouldnt discount Miller.

Anderson, Howard, Quick have far better teams in front of them.

Kessel - Parise - Pacioretty

Ryan - Kane - Backes

Brown - Kessler - Pavelski

Callahan - Oshie - Okposo

Saad
Wheeler

Byfuglien - Yandle
Orpik - Suter
Martin - Flowler

McDonagh
Leddy

Anderson
Quick
Schneider

I just thought I would let you know that the name Hotstove when applied to hockey is utterly ridiculous. The term does not mean off season...it refers to the baseball off season which is in the winter and GM's are huddled by the hot stove working up plans and or deals...for hockey, perhaps you should use a term related to AC (air conditioning)...show some originality and common sense.

Kessel - Parise - Pacioretty

Ryan - Kane - Backes

Brown - Kessler - Pavelski

Callahan - Oshie - Okposo

Saad
Wheeler

Byfuglien - Yandle
Orpik - Suter
Martin - Flowler

McDonagh
Leddy

Anderson
Quick
Schneider
- KovyFan27

Shattenkirk and Mcdonagh have to make that team, both skate so well that they are needed on the big ice. Plus Fowler has not had standout year since his rookie season.